Trope Talk: Dragons

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Dragons! They're big, they're scaly, they're legendary! But how deep does the wyrmhole go?
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Dayala Singh
Dayala Singh 2 hours ago
Speaking of Dragon Riders I love the Wyvern Riders of fire emblem. And Claude is probably my favourite of them.
Ana Colmán
Ana Colmán 3 hours ago
this PROVES that Red is asexual, period.
Daniel Huelsman
Daniel Huelsman 4 hours ago
Does the stuff you said in the Kaiju video apply?
Rhiannon Meier
Rhiannon Meier 4 hours ago
I have a theory that dragons are actually a form of dinosaur that had survived and evolved (wings like a pterodactyl, face, and teeth and scales of every dragon ever). Birds were originally dinosaurs, so what's to keep dragons from being real at some point in time? It would explain the fact that dragons are all over the place. Also, the reason they're extinct: Humans. (i.e. "nights in shining armor") I love this theory and would be happy to discuss it more
Rafael Alejandro Sanchez
Rafael Alejandro Sanchez 5 hours ago
Yay for Anne McCaffrey shoutout!
Robert Reese
Robert Reese 6 hours ago
Quetzalcoatl is based on a bird that is native to the region. Art imitating life kind of thing
andrew reynolds
andrew reynolds 7 hours ago
As I recall the "dragon sickness" that affected Thorin was more so a movie thing. In the books his decline was more directly linked to his grandfather, Thror, and what caused his downfall: one of the seven dwarven rings of power, which was linked to (and to some extent corrupted by) Sauron's One Ring. This was exacerbated by Thorin's preexisting character flaws, which are discussed in a passage in Tolkien's Unfinished Tales. The movies did some... strange things with the story of The Hobbit.
Arkham's Yellow Queen
Arkham's Yellow Queen 7 hours ago
For a fun subversion of hoard and damsel in distress? Read the Dragon Slippers trilogy! I loved 'em as a kid.
Your High Friend
Your High Friend 10 hours ago
Red-sama, you should create a modern classics summarised : starship troopers video as soon as thou canst. ^w^
SuperStar 64
SuperStar 64 10 hours ago
You forgot about the steroid abuser with lock jaw that ghost and goblins calls a unicorn
Just Another Mike
Just Another Mike 12 hours ago
I didn't see spyro. Darn.
jozef kiska
jozef kiska 13 hours ago
Blarogs also rode dragons... because reasons
Chase Lundgren
Chase Lundgren 14 hours ago
Does anyone else notice Smaug is a wyvern?
Chase Lundgren
Chase Lundgren 13 hours ago
@kunik61 fair enough
kunik61
kunik61 14 hours ago
1. I bet not much of people remember old Hobbit adaption where he looks like a giant cat. 2. Who ever cares?
Ethan Tokko
Ethan Tokko 22 hours ago
The fact that basically every human culture had stories about dragons suggests that dragons actually did exist back then, and for some reason they are hiding from humans since the modern era. Sounds like a great urban fantasy story.
Joshua Scotti
Joshua Scotti 8 hours ago
Just wondering - by that extent gods that control each and every part of the world, demonic beings, the possibility of absolute Armageddon, secondary and parallel worlds, and wizards also exist?
Ben Martin
Ben Martin Day ago
Yu-Gi-Oh 5DS did Dee and the title is dragons even though their ends up being 6 at the end of the show
Mavrick Counts
Mavrick Counts Day ago
I once read somewhere there was a theory that the reason dragons were universal is cause every now and then in any part of the world someone would dig up a dinosaur head and recognize it as serpent like, giant, and extinct. That's also why there's such a variety cause like, they might find four legs, they might find two, they might find none! And in the same boat they might find three skulls close and think it the same creature. Just a thought.
Cynthia Moraes
Cynthia Moraes Day ago
And don't forget they can also have dog face: Falkor.
balrogdahomie
balrogdahomie Day ago
That’s an interesting perspective on it, that dragon is a grouping rather than a single “””species””” of creature. The term is more like “Undead” than “Vampire”; a statement of qualities with a lot of variation within Not to say vampires don’t have their variation but- you get what I’m trying to say
Isaac Priest
Isaac Priest Day ago
So you're just gonna drop Anne McCaffrey into the conversation without mentioning all the mad stuff the dragons of Pern can do? They're telepathic, telekinetic, and can TELEPORT THROUGH SPACE AND TIME!
Weik-293
Weik-293 Day ago
I have heard of something called the Dragonrider problem: wherein the Dragon becomes nothing more than an oversized pet/dog/horse to the rider or just a tool
kunik61
kunik61 14 hours ago
It happens in GoT only.
Weik-293
Weik-293 Day ago
Read A Thing of Vikings, good input on this topic
Pyre
Pyre Day ago
Hm. Think I may have been a bit too cross the first time I posted this. So. @5:23 and @12:45 THANK YOU. Watching that asinine, baseless and pedantic geek line of "It's only a dragon if it has four legs and wings" infect the internet the last few years has been maddening. There is no 'actual' or 'official' definition. There never has been, and attempts to enforce one are fantastic examples of the worst of geek culture.
maggintons
maggintons Day ago
Favourite dragon?... Kiryu Kazuma obviously.
Nekorina
Nekorina Day ago
Could you do a video on fairies, or perhaps on demons?? I think videos like those would be very interesting!!
Nova Bovine
Nova Bovine Day ago
I love learning and listening to things to keep a timeline for myself because of my narcolepsy. I haven't heard anyone talk about pern in so long i nearly squeed. My autistic son told me to stop sqweeking and my mother rushed out to see if something had happened... lol.. oops.
Jason Santos
Jason Santos Day ago
Yeah agriculture got their own version of the Dragon throughout their Century today popular culture still loves dragons
Elder Moose
Elder Moose Day ago
I was wondering when the avatar reference would be made
Carla Ferraccini
Carla Ferraccini Day ago
The ultimate human fears, hun? So... spider leged manticore with wings, the additional ability to shot strong spider tread, shot poisonous spikes from its spiky tail and additional fire breathing? Did I forget anything? Maybe also able to camouflage so it can show up next to you out of the blue?
kunik61
kunik61 14 hours ago
Again arachnophobe propaganda??? (because it has nothing to do with video and involves forcing people to believe that liking spiders is a "mental illness")
The Tertinator
The Tertinator Day ago
Cool, sooooo, spider-dragons then?
KittyFaerie
KittyFaerie Day ago
Wings on a unicorn is a pegacorn, because unicorn + pegasus :)
Finnian Blood
Finnian Blood Day ago
You did a troupe talk on how dragons are so different and how it is a category, but you didn’t talk about Pokémon once!!! Like Pokémon is the definition of varying dragons.
Nate Winchester
Nate Winchester Day ago
"eragon is probably more well known to you guys [than mccaffrey]." And I wept.
MegatronTarantulas
MegatronTarantulas Day ago
all dragons cannot take a human(oid) form in dnd. only gold and silver.
kunik61
kunik61 14 hours ago
One Black did.
Tommy Johansen
Tommy Johansen Day ago
my Favorite Dragon: koko hekmatyer
Charlie
Charlie Day ago
thats why i liked the dragonology books, it catigerizes then as wyvern, lindwurm, european dragon, aisian lung. but it still says theese are ALL drragons just different types
Chimera MK
Chimera MK Day ago
"It's not a dragon, it's a wyvern!" is an annoying statement I see every now and then when a live-action show/movie adapts what the books clearly states is a DRAGON. Even a wyvern is still a dragon. Just because it's short of 2 legs doesn't make it any less a dragon.
kunik61
kunik61 14 hours ago
Same. Like... Eastern Dragons are wing-less. Still dragons. (I have zero problems with that) Falcor is more like a snake-dog mix. Still a dragon. Rosa NEVER transforms into a dragon. Still a dragon. A dragon has 2 legs. IT IS NOT A DRAGON. Like the heck?
Cristopher Kingston
Cristopher Kingston Day ago
We need to mention Fire Emblem's dragons, they are powerful benevolent god like creatures who can transform in a human form with dragon's parts but they get mad as old they get so they kill themselves to avoid hurt people or go into the madness and start killing everything that moves, so is a mix between the benevolent dragons and greedy dragons stereotypes
JayStorm
JayStorm Day ago
I don't think Dragons are 'special' becuase it can be anything, you could say that to Demons, Yokai, Fairy, etc and yet they didn't catch on like Dragons did. But the Iconic Power and the Mighty feeling, dragons can give you. That, i think is why Dragons are so popular (Same with Gods too).
shuri
shuri Day ago
WHY DID YOU PUT SPIDERS THERE WHY DID YOU DO THAT TO ME But yeah i love me some dragons. Fairy dragons are also cool
kunik61
kunik61 14 hours ago
STOP PROMOTE ARACHNOPHOBIA. Really: stop act like "everyone should hate spiders unless you are a mentally sick person".
Lennart
Lennart Day ago
oh no, now I wanna see a family of draco-arachnids
BarbarianGod
BarbarianGod Day ago
Weren't Behemoth, Ziz and Leviathan more like a bull, a gryffin and a fish/whale? Also why does everyone skip Ziz in the listing of biblical monsters :(
Dorian Zane
Dorian Zane Day ago
There is one bit of dragon rider folklore from Transylvania that predates Dragon Riders of Pern. It's related to the legend of Scholomance, the school of black magic. The dragon riders (Solomonari) could control the weather and cause storms, which seems to be a twist on the storm god vs. dragon theme. I never made that connection until watching this video.
Huy Trần Đăng
Huy Trần Đăng Day ago
About Dragon Riding, I believe there are precedents in Eastern Mythologies and Religions. Sheshanaga, for example, serves as a resting place for Vishnu. Bodhisattvas in Buddhism are often depicted as standing on Dragons to travel and help the people. There’s also Sanzang, who rides a Dragon (albeit in the shape of a horse). In certain East Asian countries, Crocodiles and turtles are also sometimes classified as types of dragons. While no crocodile rider comes to mind, a lot of Saint-like and deities in East Asian cultures do ride Turtles.
FUN and ART Rachel
FUN and ART Rachel Day ago
The first five books are about “The war of seven tribes (dragon tribes )”.You’ll love it.
FUN and ART Rachel
FUN and ART Rachel Day ago
I like to read《Wings of fire 》l’m reading book eight .“A must read for any dragon fan.”
Johanna O
Johanna O Day ago
Thank you for not doing the "ACTUALLY, that's a wyvern, not a dragon" I'm soooo tired of that -_-
Guy from 20XX
Guy from 20XX Day ago
Es funny cause my project has a “Dragon-Spider”
Guy from 20XX
Guy from 20XX Day ago
Wait so when it comes to Dragons are misunderstood, what about the Tarasque?
kunik61
kunik61 13 hours ago
This is not such a legend. A typical dumb dragonslaying legend.
Raptormann0205
Raptormann0205 Day ago
I'm pretty sure that the whole Dragon taxonomy debate started because everyone bought that Dragonology book at their school's scholastic book fair and took it WAY too seriously
Joshua Woods
Joshua Woods Day ago
The best dragon is the Dovahkiin.
MariposaGal19
MariposaGal19 2 days ago
"It's seriously everywhere, i don't know why" because.... dinosaurs! Different species of dinos were found in different regions, which is why dragons seem to have so many different characteristics (# of wings, legs, horns, etc) and most dinos are pretty big, so it's not a huge leap to 'powerful and important.' Add in human curiosity and a penchant for storytelling and you get dragons
Sofia c
Sofia c 2 days ago
Dragons are awesome. Storm gods can attack dragons from a distance, prolly can float/fly and their attacks can't be melted by scorching venom/fire. Since dragons in a lot of cultures are water adjacent creatures it wouldn't make sense for a water god to slay them and since the ones that aren't water related normally can fly it wouldn't make sense either as they will just fly away, earth god's (as a trope) like all living things and you can't combat fire with fire, specially not when your opponent has thick scaly armour. They can fly so wind alone wouldn't work out either as demonstrated by birds that just happily fly to the eye of the tornado unscathed. Dragons don't work like humans so any psychology type god is out of the way, magic/knowledge gods would have trouble defeating a thousands of years old beast with a lot of wisdom and tricks of their own. Dragons are the definition of power and by sheer size of fiscal force so some super strong brute wouldn't cut it (except they are usually humans and humans like to see other humans win against the big scary). In other words the only thing bigger, scarier, angrier and that could objectively win we could think of is sky temper tantrums.
Joey A dePub
Joey A dePub 2 days ago
Working theory: Dragons everywhere: dinosaur skeletons. Dragons vs. Storm Gods: dinosaur skeletons found in marshes, bogs, places that look like they've been flooded, or where a flood has removed a lot of sediment concealing dinosaur fossils.
ᅚᅚᅚᅚ
ᅚᅚᅚᅚ 2 days ago
**furious clicking**
핑엘리
핑엘리 2 days ago
Could you... maybe do one about extraterrestrials? edit: i forgot to say please i am so sorry
CounterShift
CounterShift 2 days ago
I saw you acknowledging dinosaurs in the captions, forgot to record that? lmao. Would've been good to let people know that one directly too XD
shagohad3
shagohad3 2 days ago
I'm sad the glory of Trogdor wasn't spoken of in this video.
Mr Ferris
Mr Ferris 2 days ago
Dragon is not cat, cat has no loyalty and no interest in helping anyone. Dragon is odd dog!
Spencer Willits
Spencer Willits 2 days ago
The motif of the Thunderbird (storm god) vs. the Mishipeshu/Unktehila/horned snake/underwater panther/sea dragon is remarkably universal throughout American Indian mythology
Dragon Turtle
Dragon Turtle 2 days ago
Dragon taxonomy is still fun and interesting though. And it helps clarify what people are talking about in online nerd debates.
Tim Sparkes
Tim Sparkes 2 days ago
Is, is godzilla a dragon?
Alex Jewett
Alex Jewett 2 days ago
I don't really count "just a giant snake" as a dragon.
Emily Kavanagh
Emily Kavanagh 2 days ago
One of the most interesting takes on dragons has to be in Ursula Le Guin's Earthsea cycle! They were definitely more on the divine and mysterious side, and I was really fascinated with her take on them and how they were ancient and wise
Andrew Murray
Andrew Murray 2 days ago
I see Lucas, i click like. good stuff, thankyou.
JD Draws
JD Draws 2 days ago
Red: "The audience will know to expect something powerful and important, no matter what shape it is" Me: *stares at the Horse from Journey to the West*
Don Nguyen
Don Nguyen 2 days ago
Sky god vs dragon is actually an allegory of order vs chaos. A lot of cultures revere sky gods as the ones in charge of maintaining order in the universe because powers over sky which is what us humans can’t reach means ultimate status for gods. So it’s the storm gods with their power and status that are given the job of maintaining order in the cosmos and the dragon serves as a symbol of chaos and evil. The dragon in question is also usually a water or underworld serpent because most people view water and the sea as powerful but violent and unpredictable and the underworld is basically dangerous and deadly. Snakes/dragons are the monsters usually because of most venomous snakes, the violent tendencies of some snakes and the way snakes move like ripples of water. So when you have sky/storm god vs dragon it basically means opposites in conflict: order vs chaos, sky vs Earth (or water), good vs evil etc. note: the term usually used for this conflict is called chaoskampf which basically means struggle with chaos or overcoming the monster. Also check out Harry Potter chamber of secrets and you see the same struggle and trope when Harry fights the basilisk which is a big venomous snake lives in the flooded chamber and saves Ginny Weasley (his future wife)
Scherazade , Teller of Tales
Scherazade , Teller of Tales 2 days ago
In Wales we have a story about two dragons fighting, one red and one white. Aka one welsh and one english. Legend says that in the time of wales’ need, the red dragon will return and defend us from the english
soinhu foitu
soinhu foitu 2 days ago
"What do Dragons eat?" "Maidens chained to rocks." "Well it'll starve here, we're on loam."
Mike K
Mike K 2 days ago
I have to imagine that part of the idea for dragons came from different societies all over the world finding dinosaur bones. If you look at a T-Rex skull and had no concept whatsoever of dinosaurs, it's not a stretch to say "Hey, this must be a dragon skull!"
Cole Manning
Cole Manning 2 days ago
Tiamat, mother of all dragons. Yes, I recall
Sommer Blume
Sommer Blume 2 days ago
The thumbnail is a wyvern, though, not a dragon
soinhu foitu
soinhu foitu 2 days ago
town with it, with a lot of very creative designs that still managed to make good use of the trope baggage
Nicolas Khodabandeh
Nicolas Khodabandeh 2 days ago
why is there no more dragon? one thing : "here be dragons" (SCP)
Erene Theodorakis
Erene Theodorakis 2 days ago
Can't wait for the demons and faeries trope talks next.
Jackson Bowns
Jackson Bowns 2 days ago
A massive dragon shows up somewhere in Eurasia causing havok. Indra: Aw yeah, time to slay a drago- Oh, what are you doing here? Thor: I'm here for the dragon. Zues: Well this is awkward. Susanoo *walks in dressed as a woman and carrying sake*: Alright let's do this thing!
kunik61
kunik61 2 days ago
AGAIN DRQAGONSLAYING JOKES?!
Adoki
Adoki 2 days ago
The new generation of gods killed the dragon industry
Lunar Shadow55
Lunar Shadow55 2 days ago
Could be that Dragon vs Storm God is so common because it is some kind of meaning of Dragons being long living Mortal that tries for immortality by trying to overtake gods only for the Storm to act as a cage that keeps dragons forcibly grounded so they can't reach the golden realm of the gods. But as for why there are so many dragons, i would say it is because lizards are everywhere, as long as it isn't below a certain temperature, there will always be a lizard slithering or walking somewhere
Adyen Lichtwachter
Adyen Lichtwachter 2 days ago
FUNSIZE DRAGON :D
kitchensinkchronicles
kitchensinkchronicles 2 days ago
honestly they all probably found dinosaur bones - while their skulls looked like lizards and arms looked like bird’s wings - and went “cool. giant lizards that can fly.”
ILiveFor TheChaos
ILiveFor TheChaos 2 days ago
15:06 Okay, that picture is pretty cool and I kinda want it as my desktop.
Nathan Black
Nathan Black 2 days ago
All these cultures probably had the same thought in reference to storm/sky gods fighting dragons: "both dragons and (insert god of the sky) claim the sky as their dominion so obviously they're gonna fight"
Georgina Ribera i Caro
Georgina Ribera i Caro 2 days ago
sees a trope talk about dragons. *asexuals have entered the chat*
Juan Carlos Montilla Correa
Juan Carlos Montilla Correa 2 days ago
Oh come on.. Lucas the spider is cute!
Maggie McGonnell
Maggie McGonnell 2 days ago
As far as modern dragons go.... Dragon Booster. That is all, you're welcome.
FRANKLIN Z
FRANKLIN Z 2 days ago
Weird that dragons have bat wings when birds are the actual reptilians.
DaemosDaen
DaemosDaen 2 days ago
I was soo happy when you mentioned the Dragonriders series. Red: 8 headed snake that really like booze DM Me: I can do something with that *writes down* Red: the ultimate fusion of human primal fears would have a lot more spiders involved. DM Me: It's kit-bashing time. Gargantuan spider legs, check. Leftover dragon body and tail, check. Giant bird winds, check, giant spider head and mandibles, check. Why hasn't this been a mini already :/
Sergio Herrero
Sergio Herrero 2 days ago
I always found interesting the approach of the breath of fire 4 game to this trope. It uses the most basic definition of dragon (awe inspiring and vaguely serpent-y) and went to town with it, with a lot of very creative designs that still managed to make good use of the trope baggage
X
X 2 days ago
Red: the ultimate fusion of human primal fears would probably have a lot more spiders involved Me: Me: why won't you let spiders get married?
1ofthem !!!
1ofthem !!! 2 days ago
Trope Talk: Orphans? There are just a lot of orphan characters in fiction that seem to come in two types either a Moses/superman type or a more batman type I think it be interesting to talk about.
1ofthem !!!
1ofthem !!! 2 days ago
@FRANKLIN Z Right but most of those kinds of characters do have parents, there just not mentioned, not important or not involved in the polt or would raise some questionable stuff in the story if they were involved because as you mentioned that would make them terrible parents. Many anime high school romances do mention parents and if they do mostly have them as minor background characters that don't do much. The characters do have parents but they aren't important enough in the story to be brought up. I'm mainly talking about characters that are actual orphans. Which as I stated before comes in three types. The Adopted Orphan (ex: Moses, Superman, Spider-Man, Harry Potter), The Traumatic Orphan (Ex: Batman, Daredevil,) or the Half Orphan (EX: Nemo, Chuckie Finster, Max Goof)
FRANKLIN Z
FRANKLIN Z 2 days ago
@1ofthem !!! Typically in anime high school kids has to make life decisions, has a harem, regularly face life-threatening battles, needs to save the world, gets badly injured, kills people, etc. Having parents around will either crash the world building or make them terrible parents.
1ofthem !!!
1ofthem !!! 2 days ago
I also forgot another type of Orphan. The Half Orphan.
1ofthem !!!
1ofthem !!! 2 days ago
​@FRANKLIN Z Many of those could just mean that the parents aren't an important factor of the story may be because the character in question is too old for parents to matter or some other reason. Or it could just boil down to the Moses/superman type which we can just simply call the Adopted type as many of those characters may have a mentor/parental figure that took them in
FRANKLIN Z
FRANKLIN Z 2 days ago
@1ofthem !!! Look at all the JRPGs and anime. Although in anime the parents are usually away on vacation (for years until it is time for the love interest to meet them).
Nao Frost MC
Nao Frost MC 2 days ago
oh wow.. never thought i own a dragon this whole time
Jane Ross
Jane Ross 2 days ago
"A metric buttload of dragons." That's the collective noun now. No, I won't accept that it isn't.
Samuel Henricks
Samuel Henricks 2 days ago
Does this guy have another channel? I swear I've heard this voice elsewhere.
Frederik Johnsen
Frederik Johnsen 2 days ago
You know thinking about it maybe the whole "dragon is killed by storm god" comes from the fact that dragon scales are often portrayed as being extremely durable, so perhaps people thought that only something like a bolt of lightning could pierce them and storm gods are often shown as being among the strongest in their pantheon. But hey what do I know.
Kyle Givens
Kyle Givens 2 days ago
Would you rather trust a Fairy or a Dragon?
the little prince
the little prince 2 days ago
Why dragon? Because they exist! Not a the winged scally fire breathing one but the giant serpent/ lizard tingy one. I mean giant serpents that devour humans are real (anaconda, phyton, etc.) And they might more common in the ancient days. You have giant lizards like komodo and crocodiles/alligators that can make any prehistorian seing them as some type of godly creature (first they are majestic and second they dont really attack/pursue you outside of their domain unlike the common predatory animal).
Nightmare Wings
Nightmare Wings 2 days ago
My favorite creature, I love dragons especially feathered ones
Ash Vincentius
Ash Vincentius 2 days ago
Fáfnir?!?? Quetzalcoatl?!??? OMG- KOBAYASHI DRAGON MAID CONFIRMED
James Wang
James Wang 3 days ago
There are two important evil dragons in Chinese mythology: Xiangliu(相柳), the nine headed evil serpent; and Gonggong(共工), dragon deity of water. The nine headed serpent Xiangliu, is killed by Yu the Great.
Dom
Dom 3 days ago
I really enjoy this channels work but I wish you did some more African mythology. Not exactly the right video to post this on but I still wish you did :( Otherwise keep up the fun entertaining and educational work.
kevin nguyen
kevin nguyen 3 days ago
If you want to play dragons instead of the humans, check out Dragonhearts by Alex Guerrero (FractalDragon on itch)! Argue, Fight, Compete, Dance, Dine, and Battle each other to prove yourself to the universe worthy of saving it in the prophesied ritual~ A very good game worth checking out if you get the chance!
LPerrotta
LPerrotta 3 days ago
When will we see a Trope Talk video about the Worf Effect trope?
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